It's good to see Del Rio talking about harm reduction rather than edicts and prohibition. But did any public health people in the U.S. criticize the edicts and prohibition approach during 2020 and 2021? Hand-wringing on Zoom 3 years after the mistakes were made is terribly inadequate.
I meant, did they criticize the edicts and prohibition approach while it was at its most intense, during 2020 and 2021 and into 2022. Or are they only criticizing it now, retrospectively.
They are only criticizing it now, retrospectively, because they've had a change of heart. It's not that they were always pro-reopening but were ashamed to speak up before. They are admitting they were wrong in thinking Covid would be much worse for children. (And I'm not saying this to defend them or accuse them - just trying to accurately share what they said.) Dr. Jetelina was clear that she was "very uncomfortable" with fall 2020 school reopenings in Texas and in general with sending teachers back pre-vax, but that "looking back" it was the right call.
Also, it's not only that public health didn't look at the evidence from classrooms opening back up in Europe in spring 2020. I believe Kelley's noted that Wyoming and Montana reopened classrooms before school let out that June. Although, it seems that was on a very limited basis. See this, for example: https://oilcity.news/wyoming/2020/04/28/wyoming-schools-to-remain-closed-through-may-15th/
Yes, the examples of limited in-person schooling in parts of Wyoming and Montana in spring 2020 wouldn't be enough to sway anyone in big US cities, but the evidence from Europe, Sweden, and NYC child care centers should have been more compelling.
You should drop in next public post YLE makes (likely early Monday or Tuesday) and ask her directly these questions. I’ve pressed too, but would be nice to see how she responds to you.
I've pressed her before on inaccurate data (when she shared the faulty claim that Covid was a top 5 cause of death in children), and she never responded to me, so I'm not sure I'd get a response now either. I did tag her in my Twitter thread about this article though.
Even when she doesn't reply to comments in her Substack, she always reads every one of them.
I think she is genuine and means well, but she was never properly trained in scientific skepticism and as a result credulously believes anything which aligns with her biases. It's important to help people like her realize how easily fooled they are, politely.
It's also important for her followers to see wider context of her claims and the errors whenever present. I've closely followed her substack and you can definitely see a change in some of the regular followers I've interacted with for the last 2+ years, they too are learning the importance of skepticism.
Even occasionally get PM from followers expressing appreciation pointing out counter points they hadn't heard before, like from this comment (also critiquing her claim it was a top 5 cause of deaths in children)
It's good to see Del Rio talking about harm reduction rather than edicts and prohibition. But did any public health people in the U.S. criticize the edicts and prohibition approach during 2020 and 2021? Hand-wringing on Zoom 3 years after the mistakes were made is terribly inadequate.
I think he's admitting that he was part of the group that got it wrong back in 2020 and 2021. I took it as an apology.
I meant, did they criticize the edicts and prohibition approach while it was at its most intense, during 2020 and 2021 and into 2022. Or are they only criticizing it now, retrospectively.
They are only criticizing it now, retrospectively, because they've had a change of heart. It's not that they were always pro-reopening but were ashamed to speak up before. They are admitting they were wrong in thinking Covid would be much worse for children. (And I'm not saying this to defend them or accuse them - just trying to accurately share what they said.) Dr. Jetelina was clear that she was "very uncomfortable" with fall 2020 school reopenings in Texas and in general with sending teachers back pre-vax, but that "looking back" it was the right call.
Also, it's not only that public health didn't look at the evidence from classrooms opening back up in Europe in spring 2020. I believe Kelley's noted that Wyoming and Montana reopened classrooms before school let out that June. Although, it seems that was on a very limited basis. See this, for example: https://oilcity.news/wyoming/2020/04/28/wyoming-schools-to-remain-closed-through-may-15th/
Yes, the examples of limited in-person schooling in parts of Wyoming and Montana in spring 2020 wouldn't be enough to sway anyone in big US cities, but the evidence from Europe, Sweden, and NYC child care centers should have been more compelling.
You should drop in next public post YLE makes (likely early Monday or Tuesday) and ask her directly these questions. I’ve pressed too, but would be nice to see how she responds to you.
I've pressed her before on inaccurate data (when she shared the faulty claim that Covid was a top 5 cause of death in children), and she never responded to me, so I'm not sure I'd get a response now either. I did tag her in my Twitter thread about this article though.
Even when she doesn't reply to comments in her Substack, she always reads every one of them.
I think she is genuine and means well, but she was never properly trained in scientific skepticism and as a result credulously believes anything which aligns with her biases. It's important to help people like her realize how easily fooled they are, politely.
It's also important for her followers to see wider context of her claims and the errors whenever present. I've closely followed her substack and you can definitely see a change in some of the regular followers I've interacted with for the last 2+ years, they too are learning the importance of skepticism.
Even occasionally get PM from followers expressing appreciation pointing out counter points they hadn't heard before, like from this comment (also critiquing her claim it was a top 5 cause of deaths in children)
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/pediatric-state-of-affairs-april/comment/6293222